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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-10071</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 07:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All great comments guys. The answer is simple (well hideously difficult to implement but simple to articulate). As I enunciated over on the Idealog blog (and to be honest in my writing all over the place)....."We need to keep up dialogue, to build capability, to convince NZ SME's to take on advisory boards of directors, to embrace creativity, to turn our backs on the old boys network, to become ambitious, to add value, to realise that we don't have the luxury of a large natural resource base, to realise that despite the hype we still need people to make things here, to align SME's needs with economic development policies, to learn more, to read more, to look to successful and creative businesses here and overseas, to utilise design for all aspects of a business, to educate our youth on what commerce truly is, to integrate technology, education and design and to on the one hand drop our tall poppy syndrome but on the other stop putting people on pedestals."

Yes Darren, finding the opportunities and selling the results is where I would like to think I come in - commercialising ideas, taking a concept and delivering and building the ability of entrepreneurs to work on as well as in the business is what gets me up in the morning and keeps me up at night

Keep up the dialogue team</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All great comments guys. The answer is simple (well hideously difficult to implement but simple to articulate). As I enunciated over on the Idealog blog (and to be honest in my writing all over the place)&#8230;..&#8221;We need to keep up dialogue, to build capability, to convince NZ SME&#8217;s to take on advisory boards of directors, to embrace creativity, to turn our backs on the old boys network, to become ambitious, to add value, to realise that we don&#8217;t have the luxury of a large natural resource base, to realise that despite the hype we still need people to make things here, to align SME&#8217;s needs with economic development policies, to learn more, to read more, to look to successful and creative businesses here and overseas, to utilise design for all aspects of a business, to educate our youth on what commerce truly is, to integrate technology, education and design and to on the one hand drop our tall poppy syndrome but on the other stop putting people on pedestals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes Darren, finding the opportunities and selling the results is where I would like to think I come in - commercialising ideas, taking a concept and delivering and building the ability of entrepreneurs to work on as well as in the business is what gets me up in the morning and keeps me up at night</p>
<p>Keep up the dialogue team</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Twiss</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-10003</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Twiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 21:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the near term,  we'll see a division in manufacturing between those who simply continue to build the same, cost-critical components as overseas competition and a new manufacturer who builds a product that is simply new, focuses on a niche and owns that niche and makes the rules.

I think we all agree that we have the ideas and I cannot argue with the fact that it is more the issue of 'how' and that it will be hard. If the process for this is finding opportunities-&#62;developing products-&#62;selling then I think we have the middle bit on track(maybe with some exceptions around capital). So then the hard bit for us is the bits that surround it. Finding opportunities and selling the result of our thinking (Ben sounds like where you come in?).

Certainly I would like to see more vision. Bitching about cost competition and the dollar isn't a vision and there doesn't seem to be a lot coming from government by way of yesterdays budget. Although I would stress that it is not governments job to set the vision but to merely support us in getting on with it.

New Zealand has a bright future as a producer of high-value niche product. I work with companies that are doing just that, but we need more. Lets get on with finding the opportunities and making the most of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the near term,  we&#8217;ll see a division in manufacturing between those who simply continue to build the same, cost-critical components as overseas competition and a new manufacturer who builds a product that is simply new, focuses on a niche and owns that niche and makes the rules.</p>
<p>I think we all agree that we have the ideas and I cannot argue with the fact that it is more the issue of &#8216;how&#8217; and that it will be hard. If the process for this is finding opportunities-&gt;developing products-&gt;selling then I think we have the middle bit on track(maybe with some exceptions around capital). So then the hard bit for us is the bits that surround it. Finding opportunities and selling the result of our thinking (Ben sounds like where you come in?).</p>
<p>Certainly I would like to see more vision. Bitching about cost competition and the dollar isn&#8217;t a vision and there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a lot coming from government by way of yesterdays budget. Although I would stress that it is not governments job to set the vision but to merely support us in getting on with it.</p>
<p>New Zealand has a bright future as a producer of high-value niche product. I work with companies that are doing just that, but we need more. Lets get on with finding the opportunities and making the most of them.</p>
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		<title>By: davidtenhave</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9922</link>
		<dc:creator>davidtenhave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 07:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9922</guid>
		<description>Ben

Your raison d’etre is the one to have ... I agree with you completely. Making things is a key mechanism for that and NZ is very good at this. The real questions are around the 'hows'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben</p>
<p>Your raison d’etre is the one to have &#8230; I agree with you completely. Making things is a key mechanism for that and NZ is very good at this. The real questions are around the &#8216;hows&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: davidtenhave</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9921</link>
		<dc:creator>davidtenhave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 07:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9921</guid>
		<description>Darren

Thanks for your comments.

I do concede that the used of the phrase "very few" is overly provocative. You're right, as is Ben, that there are many areas of opportunity for manufacturing.

I agree, there are a huge number of great ideas out there. The real effort is making the idea real and getting into the hands of your customers. Like you I come from a software background and I am used to rapid iterations of product in the hands of real users. Rule changing needs to take advantage of the rapid evolution of ideas. The pieces are already here to enable that but the attitude that I woke up to this morning was hidebound commentary about costs and an enumeration of issues that we as a country don't have a hope in hell of controlling. What I would've like to have heard was an honest taking of responsibility and a little more vision. That vision needs to harness the rapid evolution of ideas and systems that allow that to occur (I know vision is hard when you've been kicked in the slats).

I am under not illusions about the simplicity ... it will be hard. But I imagine it is no where near as hard as turning up to work one morning to discover that your job has been shipped offshore. The rewards though ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>I do concede that the used of the phrase &#8220;very few&#8221; is overly provocative. You&#8217;re right, as is Ben, that there are many areas of opportunity for manufacturing.</p>
<p>I agree, there are a huge number of great ideas out there. The real effort is making the idea real and getting into the hands of your customers. Like you I come from a software background and I am used to rapid iterations of product in the hands of real users. Rule changing needs to take advantage of the rapid evolution of ideas. The pieces are already here to enable that but the attitude that I woke up to this morning was hidebound commentary about costs and an enumeration of issues that we as a country don&#8217;t have a hope in hell of controlling. What I would&#8217;ve like to have heard was an honest taking of responsibility and a little more vision. That vision needs to harness the rapid evolution of ideas and systems that allow that to occur (I know vision is hard when you&#8217;ve been kicked in the slats).</p>
<p>I am under not illusions about the simplicity &#8230; it will be hard. But I imagine it is no where near as hard as turning up to work one morning to discover that your job has been shipped offshore. The rewards though &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Twiss</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9914</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Twiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave

Excellent post! This is an area I am pretty close to. I just want to comment on a couple of your points.

"The traditional manufacturing model is broken" 

Traditional manufacturing is broken (or at least it's moved on), if you are competing purely on cost and you haven't realized the rules have changed, then your future isn't that bright. 

"… there are now only very few areas where you can sustain-ably mash atoms on the edge of the world and move them 1000s of km to your market to sell them."

I would argue that saying there are "very few" areas is wrong. I know there are a huge number of ideas and opportunities out there. There are a tonne of things that the 'large' manufacturers simply wouldn't bother or know how to do. 

If you look at someone like HP for example, their product development process uses a huge number of people with a big budget so the opportunity needs to have a payback to justify that. New Zealand has an ability and opportunity to do the opposite. We can see the opportunities that bigger players will miss. We can dream-up, design and build solutions to these problems and we can do it all for a lot less R&#38;D outlay than the 1000 person team of a big player.This makes the opportunity a hell of a lot more attractive to us that them. 

"we’ve just got to behave like Kiwis again"

I think that is a fantastic way to sum up the solution. Kiwis have developed a knack of finding solutions to problems and becoming pretty good at what we do. We have some fantastically innovative people in this country. We just need to get on with finding the opportunities, developing the solutions and taking these new, high value things to the world.  

Darren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave</p>
<p>Excellent post! This is an area I am pretty close to. I just want to comment on a couple of your points.</p>
<p>&#8220;The traditional manufacturing model is broken&#8221; </p>
<p>Traditional manufacturing is broken (or at least it&#8217;s moved on), if you are competing purely on cost and you haven&#8217;t realized the rules have changed, then your future isn&#8217;t that bright. </p>
<p>&#8220;… there are now only very few areas where you can sustain-ably mash atoms on the edge of the world and move them 1000s of km to your market to sell them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would argue that saying there are &#8220;very few&#8221; areas is wrong. I know there are a huge number of ideas and opportunities out there. There are a tonne of things that the &#8216;large&#8217; manufacturers simply wouldn&#8217;t bother or know how to do. </p>
<p>If you look at someone like HP for example, their product development process uses a huge number of people with a big budget so the opportunity needs to have a payback to justify that. New Zealand has an ability and opportunity to do the opposite. We can see the opportunities that bigger players will miss. We can dream-up, design and build solutions to these problems and we can do it all for a lot less R&amp;D outlay than the 1000 person team of a big player.This makes the opportunity a hell of a lot more attractive to us that them. </p>
<p>&#8220;we’ve just got to behave like Kiwis again&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that is a fantastic way to sum up the solution. Kiwis have developed a knack of finding solutions to problems and becoming pretty good at what we do. We have some fantastically innovative people in this country. We just need to get on with finding the opportunities, developing the solutions and taking these new, high value things to the world.  </p>
<p>Darren</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9912</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet - in that case I applaud your comment - after all my raison d'etre is to give SME's (both manufacturing and otherwise) the capability such that they can scale their business and add to GDP growth in this country - if this includes NZ manufacturing then great, if not it's a shame but I'll live with it

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet - in that case I applaud your comment - after all my raison d&#8217;etre is to give SME&#8217;s (both manufacturing and otherwise) the capability such that they can scale their business and add to GDP growth in this country - if this includes NZ manufacturing then great, if not it&#8217;s a shame but I&#8217;ll live with it</p>
<p>ben</p>
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		<title>By: davidtenhave</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9910</link>
		<dc:creator>davidtenhave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben

My point is the former ... NZ manufacturers need to find ways of being viable. They either find ways they can compete through the right sorts of raw products, a'la Icebreaker OR they start to deal with new processes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben</p>
<p>My point is the former &#8230; NZ manufacturers need to find ways of being viable. They either find ways they can compete through the right sorts of raw products, a&#8217;la Icebreaker OR they start to deal with new processes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lets jump of a cliff right now.... &#171; business, strategy, economic development and manufacturing in New Zealand</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9908</link>
		<dc:creator>Lets jump of a cliff right now.... &#171; business, strategy, economic development and manufacturing in New Zealand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] May 17th, 2007   A disturbing post here, the crux of which is that it is no longer viable to &#8220;mesh atoms&#8221; in New Zealand. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] May 17th, 2007   A disturbing post here, the crux of which is that it is no longer viable to &#8220;mesh atoms&#8221; in New Zealand. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Kepes</title>
		<link>http://www.saintzeno.com/blog/2007/05/16/manufacturing-is-dead-long-live-manufacturing#comment-9906</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Kepes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your comments re the viability or otherwise of meshing atoms at the edge of the earth was interesting. By extension then it is also not viable to grow merino here, or milk or meat for that matter. IceBreaker, Fonterra and the Meat producers seem to be doing ok! If your premise is (as you state at one point), that NZ manufacturers need to stop whinging and need to find ways to be viable then I agree. If your premise is that manufacturing in NZ is dead (which you also say - a dichotomy presents itself here) then I disagree entirely - witness cactusclimbing.co.nz, witness OBO, witness the myriads of other manufacturing here without moaning but with viability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comments re the viability or otherwise of meshing atoms at the edge of the earth was interesting. By extension then it is also not viable to grow merino here, or milk or meat for that matter. IceBreaker, Fonterra and the Meat producers seem to be doing ok! If your premise is (as you state at one point), that NZ manufacturers need to stop whinging and need to find ways to be viable then I agree. If your premise is that manufacturing in NZ is dead (which you also say - a dichotomy presents itself here) then I disagree entirely - witness cactusclimbing.co.nz, witness OBO, witness the myriads of other manufacturing here without moaning but with viability.</p>
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